I’ve got a shocking piece of news for you today: Sometimes, statistics are inaccurate.
I know, I know. I’ve probably just shattered your world. “How can this be?” you’re asking yourself.
But wait, it gets worse!
Not only are statistics occasionally inaccurate, sometimes they’re presented in misleading ways!
“Say it ain’t so!” I hear you screeching.
But prepare yourself; I’ve saved the worst for last.
Sometimes, statistics are made up.
“I can’t believe it!” you say, falling on your knees as your world collapses around you.
OK, OK, enough joking around. I know you know all of this already. But today I want to talk about an interesting phenomenon related to this topic. You see, the very people who are perfectly capable of pointing out the statistical chicanery of the globalist supervillains and their MSM cronies are often the same people who fall for the statistical chicanery of people that they like.
Why is this? Let’s find out.
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by James Corbett I’ve got a shocking piece of news for you today: Sometimes, statistics are inaccurate. I know, I know. I’ve probably just shattered your world. “How can this be?” you’re asking yourself. But wait, it gets worse! Not only are statistics occasionally inaccurate, sometimes they’re presented in misleading ways! “Say it ain’t so!” I hear you screeching. But prepare yourself; I’ve saved the worst for last. Sometimes, statistics are made up. “I can’t believe it!” you say, falling on your knees as your world collapses around you. OK, OK, enough joking around. I know you know all of this already. But today I want to talk about an interesting phenomenon related to this topic. You see, the very people who are perfectly capable of pointing out the statistical chicanery of the globalist supervillains and their MSM cronies are often the same people who fall for the statistical chicanery of people that they like. Why is this? Let’s find out. Lying With Statistics
We all know by now that statistics, numbers, graphs and charts are routinely used by the powers-that-shouldn’t-be to mislead the public, right? At the very least, those with even a passing familiarity with The Corbett Report archives will have no excuse for not knowing all about the sophomoric statistical scams that are used to convince Joe Normie of this or that globalist fraud. There was Lies, Damned Lies and Government Statistics, where we laughed at Mark Carney’s discomfort with the poor quality data emanating from the UK’s Office for National Statistics and pointed out that this was not a uniquely British problem. Quite the contrary. As I demonstrated in that video, the official stats emanating from China and Japan and the US—and (needless to say) every other government—are a self-evident sham. There was Lies, Damned Lies, and Global Warming Statistics, where we itemized the common statistical sleights of hand that are used to misrepresent data to the public (truncating the y axis, changing the units of comparison, etc.) and showed how they are employed by the purveyors of global warming pseudoscience to misrepresent climate data. And, of course, there was Lies, Damned Lies and Coronavirus Statistics, where we were able to break down all of the basics of the COVID deception—the dodgy death data and the made up models that are now admitted even by the MSM to have been flagrant flimflam—well before basic concepts like “dying from” versus “dying with” were on the radar of Joe Q. Normie. And how were we able to be so ahead of the curve on the COVID lies? Because we’ve seen it all before. In fact, we’re so used to this type of trickery that many of us have adapted a common sense rule of thumb: if politicians try to feed us some statistic or number in order to convince us to go along with their agenda, then they are lying to us unless specifically proven otherwise. So, given the thorough grounding in numerical nonsense that those of us in the conspiracy reality community so obviously possess, there’s no way any of us galaxy brains could ever be fooled by a duplicitous graph or a phony stat, right? Right? Falling for the Lies
. . . Well, hang on a second there, partner. Just because we’re good at spotting the flawed figures and misleading math of those we’re inclined to distrust, that doesn’t mean we can’t be suckered by someone we do trust. There are many examples of this that I’ve encountered over the years, but here’s one that’s popped up recently. By now, you’ve probably seen the pro-Putin propaganda emanating from certain quarters of the “independent” media. You know, the propaganda that insists Putin is a 5D chessmaster who is valiantly fighting off the globalist onslaught against Russia because he loves the Russian people and is a really great guy who totally didn’t consolidate his political power on the back of a false flag bombing campaign perpetrated by his FSB buddies. And you’ve likely heard the same pundits who swore (pre-February 24th) that Putin wasn’t planning any military incursion into Ukraine opining (post-February 24th) that his military incursion into Ukraine was the most brilliant maneuver ever devised. Yes, of course! Storm into the country with a cadre of soldiers who didn’t even know about the operation until the last minute, split them up to commit a significant portion of them to a meaningless, undersupplied and—later—aborted encirclement of Kiev, and then continue the drawn-out, protracted battle for months, making minimal gains and incurring significant military losses all the while. Brilliant! As you know, I’m not a fan of the “Putin (or Xi) versus the New World Order!” narrative(s). But one of the pieces of evidence proffered to bolster the view that this Ukraine invasion is in fact all part of Putin’s grand plan to stick it to the globalists is this:
Impressive, right? I mean, you can’t argue with that. It’s a freakin’ candlestick chart, for goodness sake! What more do you want? To put it into words, the idea is that Putin has scored an economic coup with this military operation, provoking sanctions against Russia that have in fact benefitted the Russian economy and strengthened (or at the very least not weakened) the ruble. Or at least that’s what the trustworthy folks over at The Wall Street Journal and CNN are telling us. Now, if this were a story about how “inflation in the US is actually a good thing and you should be happy about paying $100 to fill up your car, you ungrateful peasant!” I imagine anyone not drinking the MSM Kool-Aid would be able to see through it right away. But because this is about Putin’s Russia and because there are some well-meaning but deluded folk who still believe (against all evidence) that Putin is actually opposed to the globalist agenda, I might have to explain why this narrative is nonsense. First of all, let’s get one thing straight: this is a narrative. I know that candlestick chart makes it all look very mathematical and inarguable, but we have to remember that the Dow Jones index or the dollar-ruble exchange rate or the price of tea in China is just a number. In order to make any sense of that number, it has to be embedded in a narrative. Take the “ruble rebound” narrative. It’s a story that is told about how Putin’s bold military adventure in Ukraine has somehow revitalized the Russian economy and firmed up the ruble’s value. But never forget that at base it is just that: a story. So the real question is this: What does the ruble-to-dollar exchange rate itself actually tell us about the state of the Russian economy? Not much, apparently. In “What Is Behind Ruble’s Return to Pre-War Levels vs the Dollar? Massive Currency Controls” Sergey Khestanov explains that the secret to the ruble’s seeming strength is that the exchange rate actually has virtually nothing to do with the economic strength of the country. In fact, currency controls prevent most Russians from actually exchanging their money at all:
Thus, the ruble exchange rate is in reality a meaningless number for the average Russian. There are so many currency controls in place that it wouldn’t matter if the rate was one ruble to the dollar or one million. As Moscow-based journalist Riley Waggaman notes in his recent article on “Super-sanctioned Russia: Economic crisis averted?” the “strength” of the ruble is not reflected in cheaper prices for goods on the shelves of Russian stores, either. In fact, the inflation rate over there is still more than 17% (and you thought inflation in the US was bad right now). Alright, you get the point. The idea that the incredible strength of the ruble shows that Putin’s war was actually a great thing for Russia is not borne out by reality and does not reflect the actual lived experience of the average working stiff in Russia. This should not be surprising, but of course it is surprising to those who believe that Putin is truly fighting for the little guy and who are suffering from cognitive dissonance. Please note that I am not on a high horse about this. We have all suffered from cognitive dissonance of this sort at one point or another. We have all overlooked the flaws in a statistical argument because it seems to support what we already believe. You, me and everyone else is guilty of this. So here are the real questions: What does this mean and what can we do about it? Why It Matters
So, what’s really going on here? On one level, it’s fairly straightforward: cognitive dissonance will kick in when someone we like is using fake stats or deceptive data to support a cause we believe in. On some subconscious level, we might even feel that questioning the numbers used in defence of “our side” of an argument is tantamount to “letting down the team.” It’s unsurprising, then, that the tricks we can accurately identify as statistical sleights-of-hand when they are employed by our opponents are the same tricks that can fool us when they’re employed by someone in our own peer group. But if the problem really were that straightforward, then the solution would be equally straightforward: Keep your guard up and double check all stats before accepting them. As you might have surmised by now, though, the issue is not so straightforward. In fact, upon further examination it seems that we’re actually dealing with a more fundamental question: why do we so often feel drawn to back up our arguments with statistics, figures, charts and graphs in the first place? Why does Bloomberg’s handy-dandy candlestick chart showing the exact curve of the ruble’s rebound seem so compelling, anyway? This is not a trivial question. As Mattias Desmet explains in his book on The Psychology of Totalitarianism, the mechanistic ideology that has gradually taken over Western thinking since the age of the Enlightenment is predicated on the idea of a rational, measurable and predictable clockwork universe. The modern mind is conditioned to expect that reality is ultimately reducible to numbers, graphs, statistics and other measurable quantities. This produces the perfect conditions for those who want to use statistics to manipulate the population. For instance, it was this mechanistic understanding of the world that motivated the newscasts and newspapers to plaster the “scoreboard” of infections and hospitalizations all over their coverage of the COVID “crisis.” As Desmet notes, only the modern mind—so utterly convinced of the inherently mathematical nature of reality—could be so terrified by this numerical talisman:
Speaking of the future, it isn’t hard to see where this mechanistic view of reality is taking us: a perfectly technocratic form of tyranny.
In this reading, the coronavirus event was a test run of a technocratic totalitarian model, where our lives will be controlled by experts on the basis of “objective” numbers and statistics. This is not pie-in-the-sky philosophical musings; this is literally what happened in any number of places around the globe where the power to declare a health emergency—with all the restriction of movement and abrogation of bodily autonomy that implies—was legally placed in the hands of health officials who, it was assumed, can make such a determination based on the latest health data. This is the world we are goose-stepping into: one where the statistical nonsense and made-up data of the globalists and their government/MSM/corporate lackeys is being used not just to pull a fast one on the public or to marshal support for this or that policy issue but as the basis for the technocratic control of our lives. Who we can meet with. What job we must work. What we must or must not put in our bodies. Whether or not we can leave our homes. These are all things that the technocrats will pretend to be able to determine based on their latest numbers and calculations. And they will no doubt have the flashiest pie charts to convince the public that they are right . . . or at least to bamboozle the public into believing it’s all too complicated to understand and must be “left to the experts.” So what can we do about all of this? The problem can’t be easily or pithily solved in a few lines at the end of an editorial. The chain of historical, scientific and philosophical developments that have led us to this point have been taking place for centuries if not millennia, and we can no more choose to simply change the epistemological paradigm our civilization is operating under than we can choose to grow an 11th finger. As I have stressed before, the only thing that will ever actually change the world is The Revolution of the Mind—the writing of a new narrative that will allow us to reconceptualize the universe and will stop us from constantly searching for the mechanistic, technological solution to every problem we face. In summation: yes, please do consider the statistics and numbers that are being presented to you in order to convince you of an idea, whether you agree or disagree with that idea. But, in addition, perhaps we should try going one step further and ask why we are looking for numbers, graphs and statistics to support our narratives about the world in the first place. |
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RE: Corbett’s Why Do People Believe Fake Statistics?
I really liked how Corbett shaped this article, and also I am excited about where it seems to be headed.
One aspect which I strongly appreciate is his link/synopsis to the “Ruble Rebound” narrative.
Fortunately, while reading, I was wide awake on my 10th cup of habitual coffee consumption with all its many, many, many health benefits per a recent scientific study.
i.e. Habitual coffee consumption is associated with the prevention of chronic and degenerative diseases, including type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and liver disease.
https://www.corbettreport.com/nwnw20220609/#comment-135687
I smell a FLASHBACK coming…
Could it be from 2012?
Well, as usual in my habit of losing wagers, my speculative guess of 2012 was wrong.
But I did smell a FLASHBACK coming…
FLASHBACK: Shut Up and Eat Your GMOs (2007)
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-025-shut-up-and-eat-your-gmos/
Fact Checker,
Report back after you read Corbett’s “side-mentioned” article:
The Technocratization of Public Education
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-technocratization-of-public-education/31422
Brilliant article, James. I am glad you are setting this example for people out there, who may never have questioned these types of assumptions about the world. I count the willingness to question ideas (all ideas) among the highest virtues, if not the very highest.
Q: Why Do People Believe Fake Statistics?
A: People are on average very lazy when it comes to informing their own world view.
I think many people knew there was something gravely amiss when what the telly was saying suddenly in March 2020 and onward didn’t actually reflect anyone’s lived experience. I hadn’t known anyone personally who had died of anything novel at all, nor had anyone I knew. As far as I could see with my own eyes, there was nothing at all the matter. And yet it seemed that so many people were suddenly under a powerful spell, obeying a hypnotist’s commands; might as well have been doing their hour of permitted daily exercise walking and clucking like chickens. And that scared me more than any of the fear mongering in the news, because I could see that I was surrounded by a different enemy: the fear experienced by those around me, which unlike the MSM blather or any politician, would actually put me at risk of crucifixion at their hands. I never believed the statistics, and now I know to be very wary of those who do.
You write: “Storm into the country with a cadre of soldiers who didn’t even know about the operation until the last minute, split them up to commit a significant portion of them to a meaningless, undersupplied and—later—aborted encirclement of Kiev, and then continue the drawn out, protracted battle for months, making minimal gains and incurring significant military losses all the while. Brilliant!”
Compare this to Thierry Meyssan, who writes “The Russian general staff attacked from all possible borders; from Crimea, from Rostov, from Belgorod, from Kursk and from Belarus. In this way, the Ukrainian armies did not know where they should concentrate. In this apparent disorder, the Russian armies destroyed the Ukrainian air defenses and raided the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant, from which they recovered the illegal reserves of uranium and plutonium, and several military laboratories where they destroyed containers of viruses and other biological weapons [5]. They destroyed the railroads when the Westerners offered to send weapons to the front. Then they fought against the Bandarist Azov regiment in its stronghold of Mariupol. Finally, they are cleaning up the parts of Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts that were occupied by the Ukrainians.” https://www.voltairenet.org/article217173.html
Corbett,
The hyperlink for “Lies, Damned Lies, and Global Warming Statistics” is wrong. It is currently pointing to “Lies, Damned Lies, and Coronavirus Statistics”
Thanks for catching that, scpat. The link has been corrected.
This is my first time to comment as a suscriber to the Corbett Report web site. I have watched James Corbett’s videos on YouTube and now on Odysee.
I’m glad to see references which I can share with others.
My dad worked for the government for 23 years in order to get retirement benefits. He used to tell us that we should never trust the government; because, it has a habit of making things up. So, is that a habit like smoking? Hard to give up? My dad passed away a while ago, so I can’t ask him for clarification.
pnwf,
I am so glad that you are here on these comment boards, and I probably speak for everyone here. Welcome!
Personally, I have a penchant for “personal anecdotes”. Thanks for posting the tidbit about your Father.
The chain of historical, scientific and philosophical developments that have led us to this point have been taking place for centuries if not millennia, and we can no more choose to simply change the epistemological paradigm our civilization is operating under than we can choose to grow an 11th finger.
This is spot on. Because if we could change this paradigm, then why not have we already done it? It has to unfold naturally. A revolution of consciousness is necessary, but it cannot be forced or willed into existence. We have to trust that the universe will take care of itself.
More to the point, why do people conveniently forget last weeks fake statistics?
Is our two weeks to flatten the curve over yet??
That’s a good point. To really enable illogical tought you have to nib in the bud the logical progression. People who have not been brought to their current state of the mind in a logical fashion will want to forget as soon as possible how they got there.
Soundbites and reading titles only informs the fake world view that is based on assumptions about knowing something. There is no discernment or scepticism to talk about.
When I read your posting, dear Fact Checker, some questions flashed in my mind, such as “do you yourself believe the things that you said?”
James has produced an intelligent and cohesive argument, whereas your accusations against him seem so vague that they hardly mean anything at all — they are just anchored in empty space.
You open your statement with “James Corbett continues his precipitous slide into mysticism and obscurantism.” What James in fact does is exposing for us the hidden mysticism and obscurantism of propaganda-driven statistics that purport to reflect objective reality.
Or… could it be that you are a secret supporter of James, and that’s why you said the things that you said? Are you perhaps garnering support for him by illustrating with your criticism the divide between his cool-headed analysis and the arbitrary “truth” of the so called “fact checkers”?
Thanks Fact Checker! I now see that you are genuine, and you have my respect for expressing your views honestly. I can even see how it is possible to interpret some of James’s comments the way you did, even though I wouldn’t interpret them myself the same way. For example, it rings true for me that “we can no more choose to simply change the epistemological paradigm our civilization is operating under than we can choose to grow an 11th finger.” Paradigms that are based on beliefs are extremely difficult to change, as a change of this kind can only occur organically. We can’t change even our own beliefs by an act of will (if someone told me that my left foot had eleven toes, I wouldn’t believe them not because I am unkind, but because I know that the number of toes is five), so how would we go about changing epistemological paradigms for the society as a whole?
Also, about the narratives. Is there a way to change a narrative except by another narrative? One can only strive to produce a narrative that is closer to verifiable facts, and ultimately one should keep an open mind.
What would be the basic tennets of antirationalism as you keep referring to?
I certainly hope he is not advocating a theocratic world view for everyone. I don’t think that is an acceptable alternative for everyone. I am more inclined toward “new-age mysticism” if that means any non monotheistic spiritual orientation or agnosticism. But I wouldn’t impose this view on others insisting that they are wrong.
When we interact in the physical world there are scientific realities that can be observed by everyone, such as gravity and death. These don’t go away because I might want them too.
Anyway, it would be good to get clarification on his views, like what precisely is he advocating for “us” if he is really implying universal adoption of some “way” of re imagining reality.
After rewatching the recent Desmet interview, I can’t say I came to the same conclusion. I am known to tune in and out during philosophical exchanges, though. I do agree that Desmet does seem to build a case against rational thought, but I also agree with him that some things are not rationally knowable. He invokes the need for resonance to know the unknowable. That might work on some level, I can’t make a judgement on that.
What I found a lot more worrying was his mentioning of principles and their relation to people who abide by them, by saying that they are theirs principles. If I would read too much into that, I could come a conclusion that Desmet is invoking moral relativism, but that would be in collision with some of his other pronouncements.
Again, I don’t see the antirationalist invective here. To accept the eternal fact that some things can be known, also means accepting that some things can not be known. This, of course, is not to say that I endorse outsourcing discovery of meaning to an external agent or expert. I’m not anti, I’m just saying there’s more to it than that.
It is my contention that we are rational but also spiritual and emotional beings. While most of the times I will try to understand what is right by trying to place the questionable action in the appropriate box, I will on many occasions have to concede and rely on my moral compass – the emotions – to tell me what is the wrong action and what the toll of undertaking it is going to be. Similar can be said about love, faith, anger etc.
Admittedly, Desmet does not appear to be talking about one’s emotional makeup when referencing the scientists who supposedly determined that there was a limit for rationally knowing the fabric of the universe. It certainly is not of material nature, so to that extent it does seem to depart from ability of being determined by rational thought.
This reminds of the movie Lucy I have watched yesterday in which Morgan Freeman as part of a lecture states:
While the movie is inane at times and I don’t agree with much of what it puts forward, I do appreciate running into a few gems here and there. Typically, one would need to binge watch TV for days without even having the luxury of taking a break to change the diaper to run into a similar amount of scintillating content.
I think we shouldn’t throw logic, statistics and rational thought out the window. If that’s what you’re saying, I agree. That’s why I started listening to Corbett reports in the first place. It made logical sense. I like statistics and looking at the numbers. It provides useful information.
But I’d guess that a majority of the population in the US doesn’t even know how to look at statistics critically. I bet if you took a random sample of people in the US and asked them to look at a graph or chart, they would be hard pressed to actually understand what it meant. This is probably different from Japan. I suspect people are better educated over there.
So, I think I get the gist of what you are saying and I think that the issues are more complex than even Desmet understands. After all, he is a psychologist, which is a “soft science.” And maybe it is more simple and less complex…We’ll never really know.
I do think that only seeing the world with statistics is a very narrow and flawed way to view existence, but we should not disregard mathematical analysis. People could learn how to understand math, statistics and science and psychology.
I still remember early in the scamdemic when I told one of the doctors I was working with that statistically we were unlikely to die from Covid, he turned to me and said “Have you seen Italy?”. Clearly he was not thinking with his logical brain. So there is merit to people’s biases and fear response clouding their rational judgment. But should we throw it out? I don’t think so. And I’m not sure JC was suggesting that either BTW.
I don’t think all statistics are bullshit. I took a calculus based statistics class in college and it was rigorous and precise. I suppose it depends on what you are looking at though.
I like math and though I haven’t studied anything beyond calculus think that it can provide some very useful information and I don’t think we should get rid of it. Similarly physics, chemistry and other sciences are also very helpful in understanding certain phenomena.
I don’t support any kind of universal “way” of being or analyzing so long as it doesn’t take advantage of others. I kind of like the way some native american shamans look at the world, but don’t think their way should be imposed on everyone else. There can be room for other ways of seeing the world, but the math will always work even if it hasn’t been described yet. I don’t think empiricism contradicts other non intrusive and benign ways of conceptualizing the world.
Maybe JC was not precise enough in what he was getting at in this article. I think that things should make sense in simple terms. Someone once said (I don’t remember who), but if one cannot explain something simply then they don’t really understand.
Regarding “universal ways” I meant that I don’t think there is or should be one way. And that once we start to impose ways will start to infringe on the rights of others even if we think we might be right. Science is supposed to provide objective information for people to form their own conclusions.
I think the enlightenment was a pivotal moment for humanity, in a good way and necessary for our evolution. I think what these psychopathic parasites are doing is anti-enlightenment and anti-rational. But I am not a philosopher, just some random cog in the biomedical machine.
cu.h.j
“… I think what these psychopathic parasites are doing is anti-enlightenment and anti-rational…”
I think you will find that the Enlightenment birthed almost all the horrid ideas we’re swimming in these days…say what you like about the flaws in the Pre-Enlightenment Christian Culture but not even the Catholics thought they had as much Right to play God as the people who came after….
Its perfectly RATIONAL to murder the spare people to make room for own genes if your Worldview is based on Materialism and Darwin…Its just EVIL, which a pure Materialist will have trouble articulating properly .
They are not “making room” but eliminating bio-diversity which is not rational to sustain the species. They are essentially killing off humanity physically, psychologically and spiritually. They are basing their assumptions on science that is poorly understood and risking the survival of our species and other species for personal gain. A psychopath does not consider others and their behavior is not rational in the long run. The wisdom in nature is ancient. To try to understand is one thing, but to manipulate is another.
Look at the declining population levels. Some might say this is dangerous. To me they are psychotic and the population is allowing the insane to have the keys to the asylum so to speak. If humanity cannot figure this out and act accordingly we will die out far sooner than our sun goes nova.
“…They are not “making room” but eliminating bio-diversity which is not rational to sustain the species…”
You are assuming that they think you are part of the same species as them… they will pick blood over Not Blood every time. You should read “The Selfish Gene” if you want a rationale, and millennia of genociding other peoples does not appear to have hurt the human races health very much.
Whatever the long term benefits of biodiversity may be a lack there of has not hurt even the inbred Ashkenazi Jew’s to the point that they could not breed up a massive population if they wanted to.
https://www.livescience.com/47755-european-jews-are-30th-cousins.html
“You are assuming that they think you are part of the same species as them… they will pick blood over Not Blood every time”
They may not think I am of the same species, but the fact remains that I am as are other humans. The rejection of that fact is irrational. I will check out “the selfish gene”
I think there are fertility issues among Askenazi Jews, particularly in Israel. Their population grows less quickly than the Arab population from what I have been told. This is one of the reasons they don’t want a single state, because they would no longer have an Jewish ethno-state.
I think there is some theoretical minimum level of people that are necessary to continue the species, but once you get down that low there are no guarantees.
Another illogical and dangerous wager is the mass experiment with the gene therapy shot that has included regular Ashkenazi Jews. I suspect this may affect fertility and fitness of the human population in a negative way, but it remains to be seen.
I think that the people who wield power with the consent of the population think that they can out-smart nature or want something else, a cyborg species or some variant of that which will benefit them. If this is a selfish gene, it’s a threat to our survival. How to overcome stop it is continuing to inform the population and build out the population of people who want to be free and live in harmony with nature and balance.
Some might argue that it is not illogical to extinguish the species. I believe that is false.
I’ll look for some studies on genetic diversity in humans when I get a chance.
cu.h.j
“…They may not think I am of the same species, but the fact remains that I am as are other humans. The rejection of that fact is irrational. I will check out “the selfish gene”….”
You are falling into the trap of finding a Rational Reason why What_You_Want is true.
An example of this might be Henry 8Th of England…. who found that it was Gods Will that he do anything to get a legitimate Son as Heir….another example might be the atheist explaining that its Human Nature to be Polyamorus and NOT cheating on your spouse is “UnNatural” (I actually heard such a ‘person’ on the radio one time)
Sadly LEwisDoodle on Youtube no longer has “The ABolition Of Man” as a doodle… Its later section is a near perfect description of Technocracy….
On Human reproduction you should note that probably LESS then 1/2 the men who have ever lived got to reproduce and something like 90% of people alive to day would NOT HAVE EXISTED in the pre-Industrial revolution Harsh Selection conditions.
As to fertility in ashkanazi, that may be true but they can still breed up plentyful numbers if they need to- the junk DNA just dies off from Tay Sachs n such…. evolution is a process of WEEDING OUT the dross not of preserving life at any cost. Its no wonder it gave rise to such a ruthless ideology
Duck,
I’m not sure I understand. It is a fact that humans are a species. There are variations within it, but we are one species, which is why we can mate with other humans. It’s a biological definition. My wants don’t factor into this.
I know some people don’t like to classify human beings as animals, but we do meet the biological definition and we are a species.
I think the hypothesis is correct, that if population is reduced to a certain level, may result in extinction.
Some people may be polyamorous and others are monogamous and mate with only one person. Some people have suggested humans are not naturally monogamous, but I think this might not be the case.
cu.h.j
“..I’m not sure I understand. It is a fact that humans are a species. There are variations within it, but we are one species, which is why we can mate with other humans….”
Dogs are one species… yet there are big and small dogs, there are Corgi’s and Lab’s and Yorkies and Collies.
I do not think anyone imagines dogs will go extinct because the people who keep them breed particular kinds of dog together and castrate dogs with traits they do not like…. if your purely materialist then you must say dogs and humans are NOT all that different.
You are trying to rationalize morality… genocide (within certain limits) MAKES SENSE if you have no morals. So does rape and murder and theft if you can get away with them.
The fact it makes sense should be clear since THAT IS HOW HUMANS HAVE DONE THINGS since forever.
I think that if Industrial Society had not made medicine and food cheap 90% of the people alive today would never have been born because an ancestor would have died back when it really was survival of the fittest and luckiest.
Its been pretty normal for humans to kill off other groups they meet, and we show zero sign of it being a problem for our genetics….you could argue (as Eugenics does) that NOT weeding out the weakest makes the populations genetics WORSE….farmers certainly eliminate animals and Cows and Sheep and Dogs all appear to be doing fine
Duck,
Maybe I am trying to rationalize morality and will think about that idea. Is morality rational? I propose that you can make a good argument for why it is.
Controlled genocide might have been present since the beginning of time, but with things like atomic weapons and genetic manipulation makes it a threat to the survival of our species as a whole. Meaning that they risk themselves by doing what they are doing. I will consider that hypothesis too, that they, the “owners” are also a bit insane and have made a mistake by taking a risk with the gene therapy shot. Psychopaths sometimes take risks that end in their own demise. Many of them have less of a fear response than a normal person. Maybe they are playing with all the marbles this time.
I think this weird genetic manipulation they are messing with is similar to atomic weapons, that it could result in a catastrophic extinction event. I would need to research this more though.
Cu.h.j
“…I bet if you took a random sample of people in the US and asked them to look at a graph or chart, they would be hard pressed to actually understand what it meant….”
I think I read that something like a third of the population are Functionally Illiterate, meaning they can read but can not extract and compare ideas from an article….add in that everyone now has endless, GOOD, entertainment in their Pocket Screens to consume every spare moment and most people under 30 or 40 are (IMO anyway…) “Functionally ADHD” too…. the cognitive decline in people who grow up with Devices is probably because they never have time to read or think about anything- like CS Lewis said in Screwtape Letters they live in a constant stream of events and noise.
People have always been generally Not Interested in things like statistics, but now they are actually getting Dumb.
Has anyone ever accused you (accurately) of being a fanatic?
“Statistics are bullshit, precisely because they are all human-generated, and inherently biased.”
That is, either, a whopper of profound deceit, or a blinding alert strobe of someone who is stuck in his own pseudo-“reality.”
Statistics are just numbers. Humans attach meaning to them. They can be numbers reflecting what actually is – reality – or they can be numbers a liar tells others represent something that is not actually true.
I have zero siblings. I have one living parent. I have three children. Those are statistics. They are true, since they reflect what actually is.
Actually, your example does not really represent statistics. If we added mine to your numbers:
you: 0 siblings, 1 parent, 3 children
me: 1 sibling, 1 parent, 0 children
We can work out that between the two of us, we each have 0.5 siblings, 1 living parent and 1.5 children. These numbers are in fact a lie that does not and can not pan out in reality. Don’t get me wrong, statistics can certainly be useful, they can be copiously used to advance an agenda at an incredibly accelerated rate, as we have seen during these past few years.
But of course, the core of the problem is not with mathematics but with laziness and stupidity.
I don’t want to waste either of our time debating the scope of what “statistics” are. I merely use the broadest scope, all the way back to collection of basics, and you prefer a more narrow scope, focusing on analysis, which is fine; vanilla vs. chocolate.
I shouldn’t expect anything other than disingenuous sophistry from you.
I won’t even waste a second “debating” with you.
Why do people believe fake statistics? Because they don’t understand statistics. They think they aren’t smart enough to make a decision on their own or that they are incapable of understanding. The critical thinking ability of the general population has been eroded by deliberate dumbing down and distraction with a bunch of crap that doesn’t matter.
Is it important that people are believing fake statistics and can’t understand statistics? Yes, it is. How do we fix it, with more statistics? Probably not. A more holistic approach is needed. Are statistics necessary to understand what is happening? No, it’s obvious, common sense and intuitive that many people who have no clue about statistics can understand.
The CIA hacker story had me laughing out loud…. let him be a lesson to everyone that Encryption does not work if you write your password down.
Honestly, though, if the articles description of his moral caliber is accurate he was born to be in the CIA.
Boobus Americanus (and foreign equivalents) do not so much trust fake statistics; rather, they trust “authority” figures that the System has told them are “trustworthy” (recent terminology, “trusted sources™”).
The average boob in society actually can’t comprehend true stats, let alone fake ones.
Survival Heuristics: Avoiding Intelligence Traps
Also applies to science and news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNv2PlqmsAc
A CIA analyst who has a long experience of solving problems.
These are the topics that she covers:
The streetlight effect
Trends are always about the past
Graffiti
Most things don’t happen by chance
Exponential causality
Worst case doesn’t mean it’s unlikely
The probability of something occurring is independent from the consequences that that event may have, right?
Don’t drone on with technical explanations and facts, use compelling stories and examples tot make the point you want to make.
They never run out of bullets
Emotions can kill
Construct and constantly revise your analytic landscapes
Know Your Thinking style
Cause-effect relationship: – Concrete Sequential (CS) – Abstract Random (AR) – Abstract Sequential (AS) – Concrete Random (CR)
Deploy Diversity of Thought (Organizations that allow for a lot of different ideas, have better outcomes, even when the dissenters are wrong)
Think Together from the Start
Respect Your Intuition
Interesting video.
It’s funny, ’cause I scrolled down to it just as I was looking for, attempting to construct a model for a compelling argument on the limits of rationalism.
And the first cognitive trap in the list jumped out at me as an “Of course!”
I really really need to study these cognitive traps, not exclusively the ones in this video as… I have kind of a “where’s the beef” feeling about it but
if we want to understand phenomena, clearly there’s a lot to understand about sophistry and such cognitive traps…
Here is an article about:
“How to investigate the truth”
https://saidit.net/s/Solutions/comments/50i5/how_to_investigate_the_truth_fact_checking_the/
I want to create an open document that can help people
investigating controversial topics.
Feel free to comment on saidit.
Just saw your reply. Thanks for the link offering additional exploration and views.
Good article. I agree with that idea in the book that modern man wants to explain almost everything now in statistics and its simply impossible, but he will continue to do so to prove his points , or disprove his opponents points.
Its a very important truth to realise. We are not mechanistic rational beings, even though we think we are.
We have a lot of appreciation for rational thought, since it enabled the Enlightenment to develop after our European Dark Ages, and it brought a lot of good. But throwing out everything about us (our myths, stories, wisdom) we aquired over thousands of years before that to be replaced with rationality , is actually a very irrational move!
One example, in many ancient cultures a god of war, or a god of love exists. Why? They are not real, right? Or are they perhaps so real, they are more real than us.
Long before we were born, human beings have been falling in love and also fought to death with each other. These emotions rule over us. In each persons lifetime, he is sometimes possessed by love or by war with his fellow humans. And if we are possessed by these emotions in our lives, we are heavily ruled by them. That is why they were symbolised as gods, by not one, but many ancient cultures.
We are still very deeply irrational in our behaviour, even thought we behave very rational at times.
Censor the Climate Change Denialists
Biden’s National Climate Advisor Gina McCarthy was interviewed by a reporter for Axios.
“The tech companies have to stop allowing specific individuals over and over again to spread disinformation…
…“We need the tech companies to really jump in.”
“…Now it’s not so much denying the problem. What the [fossil fuel] industry is now doing is seeding doubt about the costs associated with [green energy] and whether they work or not.”
47 second video
Biden Advisor Gina McCarthy: Content Critical Of Green “Transition” Must Be Censored On Social Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJOW7x8Q48
Monday June 13th – Wall Street Journal
Climate-Change Censorship: Phase Two
Now Gina McCarthy tells Big Tech to stifle debate global-warming policy responses.
https://archive.ph/Si1bQ
So much ado about the social cesspools. This issue is so easy to solve, to nip it in the bud, so to say.
Remember Michael Crichton…
…in FLASHBACK: Feudalism 2.0 (2007)
https://www.corbettreport.com/flashback-feudalism-2-0-2007/
I want to invite people to read the Michael Crichton Wikipedia page.
There are some things about his demeanor which I admire as being independent minded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton
EXCERPT Tidbits
…He held a contrarian position on various scientific issues such as climate change, the health risks of secondhand smoke, and the search for alien life. Crichton himself framed this contrarianism as a practical skepticism of “consensus-based” science, arguing that over-reliance on statistical models creates the potential for bias, especially in the face of political and social pressures such as the desire to avert nuclear war…
During his undergraduate study in literature, he conducted an experiment to expose a professor who he believed was giving him abnormally low marks and criticizing his literary style. Informing another professor of his suspicions, Crichton submitted an essay by George Orwell under his own name. The paper was returned by his unwitting professor with a mark of “B−”. He later said, “Now Orwell was a wonderful writer, and if a B-minus was all he could get, I thought I’d better drop English as my major.”
Crichton received an M.D. from Harvard Medical School in 1969 but did not practice medicine. …He obtained his bachelor’s degree in biological anthropology summa cum laude in 1964 and was initiated into the Phi Beta Kappa Society. He received a Henry Russell Shaw Traveling Fellowship from 1964 to 1965 and was a visiting lecturer in Anthropology at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom in 1965. Crichton later enrolled at Harvard Medical School…During his clinical rotations at the Boston City Hospital, Crichton grew disenchanted with the culture there, which appeared to emphasize the interests and reputations of doctors over the interests of patients…Crichton concluded that patients too often shunned responsibility for their own health, relying on doctors as miracle workers rather than advisors.
He experimented with astral projection, aura viewing, and clairvoyance, coming to believe that these included real phenomena that scientists had too eagerly dismissed as paranormal…
…As an adolescent Crichton felt isolated because of his height (6 ft 9 in, or 206 cm). During the 1970s and 1980s, he consulted psychics and enlightenment gurus to make him feel more socially acceptable and to improve his karma. As a result of these experiences, Crichton practiced meditation throughout much of his life…
This scamdemic and the lunacy of parrots and their “statistics” has me so checked out, I’m at the “gotta see it to believe it” mind frame. I’ll be in my own only tangible world over here taking it one day at a time, healthy and happy.
I’m glad you mentioned that because I feel the same way. Statistics are very abstract, but if done with real data can actually show something meaningful. It’s a tool. But real world experience and trusting ones own eyes and ears are also very important, perhaps more so. Maybe that’s what informs us and then we look at the math and see how it can show what we have experienced.
It’s easy to manipulate statistics to make an argument but one must check in with themselves and sit with it and learn to trust ones bodily instincts at times. Some people have good intuition and others not so much. I did not understand why people in the hospital I was working at were so terrified because we have seen people get very sick from the flu in the past and yet there was no extreme paranoia going on. It was very weird that people could not critically see what was happening, especially the lack of bodies dropping like flies and yet we had a massive economic shut down that destroyed lives and livelihoods. It was really insane. And I sure hope that people are over it, because they will try to do it again. People at my job were already mentioning monkey pox. I thought to myself are these people that stupid. Who wants to live like that? I sure don’t. I want to live far away from germaphobes now, very far away. And luckily I will be moving in the next few months.
I may be one of the few Christians in this group and I am glad to know that James is aware that there is more to the universe than meets the eye. Rationalism will never answer all the questions or provide the solutions to the problem underlying all problems, man’s separation from God. Thankfully Jesus took care of that on the cross.
As to the article, I’m not bragging, but I did not believe the Covid numbers. I knew there was NO WAY those numbers could be accurate. However, I do like graphs, and I have been misled in the past. I’m trying to do better. Thanks for your work, James. All the best.
What triggered you Fact Checker? Are you a Putin 5D Grand ChessMaster?
Thanks to Fact Checker for starting this little discussion. I read a bit of the comments here and there and it got me thinking and then I read James article.
I think I actually would love to engage with somebody presenting how we are embedded in a certain worldview and how much different it could be with an in another way minded population, how different it actually was for other populations in past centuries. Contrapositions.
I myself usually start talking then about 3 modern concepts: state, sex and love.
But. I dislike Dezmets way of articulating himself too. Too fuzzy, too broad, too abstract. Too much of what I dislike about what my writing has become.
Then again with a topic like epistemology it has to be somewhat abstract.
Here I give you three points how I myself believe I can encapsulate this train of thoughts of James article and Desmets exclamation.
1) I am still puzzled how supposedly lefty minded persons have zero issue with the concept of a (carbon) footprint. One of the supposed nightmares of capitalism was always that it ends in dealing with everything in numbers, attaching to everything a number.
As opposed to: every life is infinitely valuable.
And a lifespan carbon footprint (c.f.) or holiday c.f. or meat consumption c.f. with literally your worth tied to a fixed number – totally normal for people.
2) What always comes again and again in my mind with these subjects is then what I associate with the Mises institute:
values are subjective
Most of you know it probably. This thought is hammered into my mind.
(Do you see the opposition to a technocratic view of everything can be calculated (objectively) (and then presented in such a fashion of diagrams, boards, statistics)?
3) And now I also see again how and why
Giorgio Agamben speaks of “bare life” or “reduced to bare life”.
An Italian frequently mentioned (and quoted) here by James.
I myself think with the concept of bare life or the lament about mechanization you can in the same way lament about
having a picture (or concept(ualization)) of ourselves as robots or machines.
And doesn’t that shout technocracy to you?
With that in mind,
I believe I can see why James writes at the end.
“The chain of historical, scientific and philosophical developments that have led us to this point have been taking place for centuries if not millennia, and we can no more choose to simply change the epistemological paradigm our civilization is operating under than we can choose to grow an 11th finger.”
and have less trouble with it. This chain or train to me is a) one worldview developing into another into another (i.e. mechanical as a foundation or at least a remnant) and b) our biologic or bodily (I believe Agamben says corporeal) development intermixed with the current technology of the time.
Although for James article the focus looks very much with a).